Misplay or just bad luck?

Here’s another hand from my still-ongoing Commerce trip..this one was about five days or so ago. Again, 20/40 NLHE, folded to a middle-position raiser, next guy folds, and I look down at KK–needless to say, I reraised. I got called, but I was happy to play the hand heads-up in position, of course. The flop seemed innocuous–T44 with two diamonds. He checked, I bet, he called.

Let’s stop there for a moment, as I think about it. Paired boards are funny things in holdem. They often represent great semi-bluffing opportunities in these kinds of heads-up situations. You raise with AK or some other big card holding, and the flop is a bit of a whiff, when the board comes 833 or similar. Continuation bets with the AK-type hands should be somewhat automatic here. Your opponent is so much more likely to have missed as well. What kinds of hands do people call raises with (rather than reraising themselves)? Generally speaking, it’ll be hands where they’re worried about their kicker. They limped or made a small raise with an Ace-rag suited, got raised (or re-raised), called, and now they’ve effectively received only two cards that might improve their hand, not three. The best part is you can often take these pots down cheaply. You don’t need to make a near-pot size bet here; half-pot, maybe even a little bit less, should do the job just as well. Sometimes, you can even convince your opponent that YOU are the one with the Ace-rag, that you happened to have hit trips, and that you’re slow-playing a monster, and can even get an overpair to fold.

But I digress: This didn’t happen here–I had a legitimate hand, and had gotten called. Possible hands here for villian: a diamond draw, a Four, a Ten, some other middle to big pair (figure pocket Eights on up), or most importantly (and let’s not leave this part out) a “thought”. This was a reasonable opponent I was playing against–he knows the “continuation bet with AK on a paired board bet” play as well as I do. It was quite possible that he was calling to set up a play on the turn (which these days, they seem to refer to as a “stop and go”, or “floating”).

The turn card was a Ten, putting two pair on the board. My guy checks to me. If he’s on a float, or a worse pair than Kings, I need to value bet to protect my hand here. Checking seemed awfully wimpy. I fired, and he check-raised me! My recollection is not 100% here on stack sizes, but let’s just say that calling is not an option here; it’s either believe him and fold, or call BS and shove it in. I had to stop and think about this one, so I’ll let you do so also..I’m leaving some dead space here, so you can decide before peeking ahead:
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I couldn’t get the diamond draw, plus 88-QQ range, PLUS the trying to drive me off my possible AK out of my mind. I shoved. He called immediately. His hand: JhTh, for the full house. No King for me on the river, and I was felted.

This one was really kind of tough. It became even tougher when another player at the table said he had folded the case Ten, so this was a one-outer for my opponent, who even admitted that he was also going to fire on the turn if a third diamond had come off on the turn; I was booked for a difficult decision on this hand, almost without regard to what the actual turn card was.

The whole way people talk about “reading hands” has changed so much in the past few years. Everything used to be about trying to put your opponent on a specific hand and then acting accordingly. Nowadays, the talk is all about the “range” of hands your opponent might have. If there’s a 10% chance he has an overpair, a 30% he has a flush draw, a 50% chance he has two pair, and a 10% chance of a bluff, you’re supposed to count up your chances of winning against each of those hand types, do all the math of counting your wins against each hand type with the card(s) to come, multiply the intermediate results by those percentage chances of each hand type, and then make your decision. Staring into your opponent’s soul and getting a dead read on your opponent’s exact holding is for the Daniel Negreanu’s, the Antonio Esfandiari’s, etc.

So the real question is, I suppose, did I give enough weight to the idea that my opponent would have a hand that would include a Ten? If I did so, I could have checked the turn, and called whatever value bet he might have made on the river (don’t think I could ever consider folding). However, look at how many cards he would have fired with on the turn which would not have improved his situation: Diamonds, potentially any medium-big card (Queen or Jack), another four, perhaps even an Ace as well. That’s a pretty big range there.

I go back and forth on this one. Sometimes I get this feeling that him having a Ten is just so obvious, and I was a dunce–other times, I think my opponent is certainly good enough to put me to the test with a wide variety of hands, so I was forced to call (btw, this theme will come up again in the days ahead, so keep an eye out for it).

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Comments

A call depends largely on your image here. It’s pretty unlikely you have a 10 in this spot since you led the turn, so it’s a reasonable spot for your opponent to bluff-raise if he thinks you’re capable of folding an overpair.

Why not check behind on the turn though, keep the pot small, and let him bluff the river if he’s on diamonds and nothing comes or if he thinks he’s good with a pair, let him block/value bet on the river? Your hand rates to be the best against his range and that is the only way you can keep on extracting value. Betting this turn will only get hands you have beat to fold and will trap you if he has a 10.

I know that you’re giving a diamond draw a free card, if you check behind, but so what? He’s only 4:1 to hit anyway and you will get more than you lose when he hits for free when he misses his draw and fires. He may likely call anyway with a diamond and then you’re just juicing the pot for a big value bet on the end if one comes. I don’t like the idea of building a big pot with this hand here.

I’m with checking the turn here, assuming stacks are decent size. I don’t see this as weak, I see it as taking advantage of position.

Betting the turn gives you a decision. Is he tough enough to bluff here, knowing it’s highly unlikey you have a ten? Is he foolish enough to think JJ/QQ is good here? I think you’ve got to know your opponent damn well to continue here.

Steelwheel, is your name Mike by any chance?

Umm..could be…Diamond Club? FARGO/ATLARGE? Do we have any way to PM on this silly system here?

Yeah, I checked out your profile and your picture seemed familiar to me. Not 100% sure but I used to play in alot of Queens/Long Island games and I think we played together a few times. Like 6-8 years ago. There was a 10/20 mixed game in Roslyn I remember you at.

I am by no means an expert at high limit live games, as all my NLHE ring game experience is online at 1-2 blinds. That being said I have logged almost 50,000 hands since October , so I do have a fair bit of experience in a similar situation at lower levels. It is tough to give a proper assesment here with out knowing stack sizes and what the initial raise and reraise was. But given the information given, I would say that your error was on the turn. Your bet here allows him to play perfect poker… if he has hit a hand he reraises and if he missed he can safely fold. Perfect plays. A check on the turn here will give him pause for thought on the safe looking river card. Your weekness would cause him to lower his expectations or a river value bet and you can see if he has a winner cheaply… and allow you to stack him, heaven forbid, if your K comes on the river.

Instead of trying to put the villian on certain cards (my name isnt Daniel Negranu either and I am usually playing multiple tables) I find it better to think of acting in a way that causes your opponent to make errors.

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