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		<title>By: Murf72</title>
		<link>http://www.pokersift.com/general-poker-articles/am-i-really-weak-tight/comment-page-1/#comment-286</link>
		<dc:creator>Murf72</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jan 2008 20:12:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with the check-raise line here. You have the perfect stack size for it too, just about a pot-sized raise. You may/may not get an overpair to lay down here, though certainly a hand like QQ is possible. But even if called you are in a decent spot to not only win, but win a stack. And you enhance your image to be somewhat loose/aggressive, an advantageous image for someone who is not actually loose to have.

Also, think of it this way: By calling, how likely does that same overpair pay you off on a board reading 6789 or 789J? And how unlikely will you win with a set on a 789T board? And how likely does an AK outdraw you on the turn when he would have folded the flop, or bet the turn when he misses and then you fold? In other words, you&#039;re getting minimum positive advantages and maximum negative ones with the check/call here. 

Also you mentioned position, realize that OOP like this is a better spot for you to get the money in since it prevents any future OOP mistakes in this hand. For instance, what if a ten came on the turn, how do you proceed OOP with still a pot sized stack remaining?

Pre-flop, I agree with keeping the pot small there by calling. By raising, you put yourself in a spot on a J95 two diamond board of what to do? Bet/fold? check/fold? bet/call? check/call? They are all bad options. With a much smaller/larger stack you might reraise.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with the check-raise line here. You have the perfect stack size for it too, just about a pot-sized raise. You may/may not get an overpair to lay down here, though certainly a hand like QQ is possible. But even if called you are in a decent spot to not only win, but win a stack. And you enhance your image to be somewhat loose/aggressive, an advantageous image for someone who is not actually loose to have.</p>
<p>Also, think of it this way: By calling, how likely does that same overpair pay you off on a board reading 6789 or 789J? And how unlikely will you win with a set on a 789T board? And how likely does an AK outdraw you on the turn when he would have folded the flop, or bet the turn when he misses and then you fold? In other words, you&#8217;re getting minimum positive advantages and maximum negative ones with the check/call here. </p>
<p>Also you mentioned position, realize that OOP like this is a better spot for you to get the money in since it prevents any future OOP mistakes in this hand. For instance, what if a ten came on the turn, how do you proceed OOP with still a pot sized stack remaining?</p>
<p>Pre-flop, I agree with keeping the pot small there by calling. By raising, you put yourself in a spot on a J95 two diamond board of what to do? Bet/fold? check/fold? bet/call? check/call? They are all bad options. With a much smaller/larger stack you might reraise.</p>
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		<title>By: longclaw</title>
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		<dc:creator>longclaw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jan 2008 13:27:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks everyone for the replies.  Joethepro, if you mistake my work for someone you&#039;re a fan of I will take that as a compliment ;)

I really hated the way I played this hand and I am glad you all agree with me.  My PT stats are 25/12/2.6/18,000 hands and I am running about +6ptbb/100.  Most players in these games are tight/passive and I bully them pretty well, but when I run into a LAG I seem to tighten up too much and play like this.  Guess that&#039;s why I have had trouble moving up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks everyone for the replies.  Joethepro, if you mistake my work for someone you&#8217;re a fan of I will take that as a compliment <img src='http://www.pokersift.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>I really hated the way I played this hand and I am glad you all agree with me.  My PT stats are 25/12/2.6/18,000 hands and I am running about +6ptbb/100.  Most players in these games are tight/passive and I bully them pretty well, but when I run into a LAG I seem to tighten up too much and play like this.  Guess that&#8217;s why I have had trouble moving up.</p>
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		<title>By: Azn_Cutie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Azn_Cutie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jan 2008 05:17:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What are your PT stats?  It sounds like you do play a little weak-tight.  I would probably raise PF there if you are going to play the hand out of position.  The range of openers is pretty big with a LAG and you can get your opponent to define his/her hand or just take it down there.  

I don&#039;t understand why you fold the turn either.  You&#039;re getting 4:1 on your money and you&#039;re 4:1 to hit, plus your hand might be good, plus you&#039;re getting better implied odds on your money since if you hit your card you will probably get paid a bit on the river.  If he has j-10 and you&#039;re drawing to a chop, he&#039;s playing it horribly as he is giving a flush draw the right price to suck out, so unless he is a very poor player you can rule that out of his range.  It looks like a naked 10 to me.  

If you&#039;re going to play tight, you can&#039;t let your stack bleed like this.  I see so many people do this and by the time they catch a hand they are so low that they either double up back to where they started or get sucked out on.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What are your PT stats?  It sounds like you do play a little weak-tight.  I would probably raise PF there if you are going to play the hand out of position.  The range of openers is pretty big with a LAG and you can get your opponent to define his/her hand or just take it down there.  </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t understand why you fold the turn either.  You&#8217;re getting 4:1 on your money and you&#8217;re 4:1 to hit, plus your hand might be good, plus you&#8217;re getting better implied odds on your money since if you hit your card you will probably get paid a bit on the river.  If he has j-10 and you&#8217;re drawing to a chop, he&#8217;s playing it horribly as he is giving a flush draw the right price to suck out, so unless he is a very poor player you can rule that out of his range.  It looks like a naked 10 to me.  </p>
<p>If you&#8217;re going to play tight, you can&#8217;t let your stack bleed like this.  I see so many people do this and by the time they catch a hand they are so low that they either double up back to where they started or get sucked out on.</p>
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		<title>By: joethepro</title>
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		<dc:creator>joethepro</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jan 2008 01:03:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>oops, i thought you were someone else. but i&#039;m still a fan :p</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>oops, i thought you were someone else. but i&#8217;m still a fan :p</p>
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		<title>By: joethepro</title>
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		<dc:creator>joethepro</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jan 2008 19:31:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>argh. had to sign up to make a comment. you&#039;re lucky, i&#039;m a fan of yours ;p

i have to agree with riverrun. after a bet and call on the flop, the pot is large enough to make a check raise reasonable. the pot was 12.50 and you had around 22 dollars. if you believe your equity is close to 50, fold equity is going to push that way over. remember, you&#039;re not only check raising (a strong play in itself), but check raising into two people (1 of whom 3-bet preflop). you pretty much have tons of outs vs anything except JT which is highly unlikely since you hold 2 tens and b/c of the preflop action.

also, i think you narrowed the BB&#039;s range too small. it was a 3-bet, but 2 things:

1. it was a squeeze play (although retarded in size, a squeeze play nevertheless)
2. it was a retarded size

both these facts make for a larger range (giving you better equity with your TT. he could have any pocket pair and was just c-betting.

i think you are used to playing with a larger stack in a live setting where check raising all in is not optimal.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>argh. had to sign up to make a comment. you&#8217;re lucky, i&#8217;m a fan of yours ;p</p>
<p>i have to agree with riverrun. after a bet and call on the flop, the pot is large enough to make a check raise reasonable. the pot was 12.50 and you had around 22 dollars. if you believe your equity is close to 50, fold equity is going to push that way over. remember, you&#8217;re not only check raising (a strong play in itself), but check raising into two people (1 of whom 3-bet preflop). you pretty much have tons of outs vs anything except JT which is highly unlikely since you hold 2 tens and b/c of the preflop action.</p>
<p>also, i think you narrowed the BB&#8217;s range too small. it was a 3-bet, but 2 things:</p>
<p>1. it was a squeeze play (although retarded in size, a squeeze play nevertheless)<br />
2. it was a retarded size</p>
<p>both these facts make for a larger range (giving you better equity with your TT. he could have any pocket pair and was just c-betting.</p>
<p>i think you are used to playing with a larger stack in a live setting where check raising all in is not optimal.</p>
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		<title>By: riverrun27</title>
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		<dc:creator>riverrun27</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jan 2008 18:44:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m check raising the flop all in every day of the week.  When you call with your tens preflop you can&#039;t get a better flop then that other than hitting your set.  It&#039;s been a couple years since I played that level and maybe the aggressive play of higher limits is clouding my judgment but if I was playing that hand at NL100 FR I would 4x his continuation bet all the time.  We have outs to an over pair to make it worth while to see if you can get A8, A9, AK AQ AJ, 66 (which i think is likely for MP) I also think he folds to our bet on the flop.   MP could also just try to bet out his flush draw after both ppl check, your line is so weak hes not scared of you, and since the aggressor checked he obv missed with AKish.   

As for folding for $5 more to to win $21 is crazy when you could have 10 outs to improve to the best hand.  Your implied odds are good too because if you hit and he has a 2 pair/set hand you stack him on occasion with stats like his.

This is very weak tight and you played it like scared money.  I don&#039;t know you and this is the first time ive read your blog so take it wish a grain of salt.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m check raising the flop all in every day of the week.  When you call with your tens preflop you can&#8217;t get a better flop then that other than hitting your set.  It&#8217;s been a couple years since I played that level and maybe the aggressive play of higher limits is clouding my judgment but if I was playing that hand at NL100 FR I would 4x his continuation bet all the time.  We have outs to an over pair to make it worth while to see if you can get A8, A9, AK AQ AJ, 66 (which i think is likely for MP) I also think he folds to our bet on the flop.   MP could also just try to bet out his flush draw after both ppl check, your line is so weak hes not scared of you, and since the aggressor checked he obv missed with AKish.   </p>
<p>As for folding for $5 more to to win $21 is crazy when you could have 10 outs to improve to the best hand.  Your implied odds are good too because if you hit and he has a 2 pair/set hand you stack him on occasion with stats like his.</p>
<p>This is very weak tight and you played it like scared money.  I don&#8217;t know you and this is the first time ive read your blog so take it wish a grain of salt.</p>
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